Re: [robocup-rescue-s] Rescue Simulation outlook

Dear Babak,

Of course, project management has been one of our problems
during these years. With no doubt, during these years of being
a member of TC and OC, we always had enough ideas and
plans for improving the quality of simulators and competitions.
But what we were lacking [and I recently indicated in one of
my last e-mails to TC and OC] was someone who could say
the last word when we could not reach a final conclusion due
to different ideas, a coordinator of tasks, and in a single word,
a good manager.

But, I still think that the problem was more serious than lack
of a project manager. Project manager can do well when there
is [at least some candidates willing to become] a team to
accomplish some goal. But often, I wasn't able to sense such
a team spirit in TC and OC. May be it is because some of us
are only willing [and may be able] to do organization [and not
technical] work. And may be some of us were so busy with
their own work that they could not dedicate enough time and
energy to this responsibility. In this state, one, as the coordinator
among TC and OC members, was not sure whether a specific
task would finish on time when he assigned it to someone else.
Or one, may receive the first answer to his e-mail asking
others to give their opinions regarding some subject about
one ro two weeks later.

And of course, the community is also another reason for some
of our failures. RoboCup rescue simulation community is not
so active. There are a few posts each month and the subjects
of most of these posts are not interesting. I admit that in order
to have a more active community, we should build a mroe attractive
problem domain but in order to do so, the current members of
community should dedicate what the are able to dedicate.

At last, I would like to raise another question: Why are all of
us saying these words now? To Ahmad, Nobel, Mohammad,
and Omid: what if all bugs of package 0.50 were fixed last
week? Did you send your e-mails regarding the league and
its weaknesses in that case? I'm not sure about it! If TC and
OC are not doing their job well for years and if the league is
not approaching its desired goal, why weren't these e-mails
sent one, two, three weeks/months ago?

Regards,
Arash

On 6/5/07, Babak Behsaz <bbehsaz_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> I think the one of the MAIN problems of Robocup Rescue
> Simulation Project is its weak project management.
> There are many other problems that I will not address
> here, because without a well-qualified management
> team, we could not reach our desired goals.
>
> I believe even with these resources, we could have
> more desirable output. But the management team (mainly
> TC and OC, in my opinion) cannot utilize the full
> capacity of these resources.
> I have not enough evidences for this claim, but I
> think members of OC and TC may remember some instances
> of this weak management. Maybe, if some of them would
> not be such conservative, we would have a clearer view
> of what is happening in TC and OC and how they are
> deciding and managing this project! I cannot even see
> an organizational structure in TC and OC.
>
> Of course, one may say that management is not their
> main responsibilities, but I will ask so who is
> responsible for Project Management?
>
> Finally, I should mention that some of them may try
> hard for the league, but their efforts do not seem to
> be effective enough.
>
> Regards,
> Babak Behsaz
> 2003-2005 S.O.S. Team Member
>
> --- Mohammad Tavakoli Ghinani <mtavakoli_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Rescuers!
> >
> > I think the fact is the rescue simulation will be
> > vanished in
> > the near future. Believe it or not, the current
> > simulators are too far
> > from the reality. Just as an example consider Misc
> > simulator. I have
> > selected it because it has the main effect on a
> > simulation. The concepts such as
> > HP, damage or buriedness do not have any
> > justification. I don't want
> > to list all of these problems because in my opinion
> > these are not the
> > causes, these are the effects. We should have some
> > plans in the rescue
> > simulation for promoting this league. The rescue
> > simulation does not
> > need the new protocols or new kernel, it needs some
> > new and better
> > simulators, some simulators which resembles the real
> > world not the
> > fantastic and imaginary one (Consider the 3D soccer
> > simulation).
> >
> > Please consider the aim of the rescue simulation, to
> > help the people
> > in a disaster environment. Can anybody say firmly we
> > can achieve this
> > with this system? What are our priorities in the
> > rescue simulation?
> > I think we need a good plan for rescue simulation.
> > But the current
> > habit in the rescue simulation shows that each year
> > before the Robocup
> > competitions some very quick and abrupt changes are
> > made into the
> > system. We can observe it in this year even. I don't
> > know why we should have a
> > buggy and not-completed Kernel in the competitions
> > also why the teams
> > should be a test bed for the new kernel? It
> > has so many revealed bugs which mean, it still has
> > some unrevealed
> > ones. I urge everybody to think about this sentence:
> > Shouldn't we have
> > a plan for developing and promoting the rescue
> > simulation step by
> > step, just like 3D Soccer simulation? And how we can
> > reach to this
> > plan?
> > Suppose all of the KNOWN bugs fixed before the
> > competitions what
> > happen if a new bug discover during the
> > competitions. Doesn't it
> > question the whole purpose of rescue simulation. We
> > should be clear
> > the purpose of simulation this year.
> >
> > Finally remember that it is not the responsibility
> > of TCs to keep
> > alive this league we have responsibilities too.
> >
> > --
> > Mohammad Tavakoli Ghinani
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