Re: rules for 2002 (version.7) & official registration & award

From: Mohsen Izadi (
Date: Thu 02 May 2002 - 10:20:40 GMT

Dear Takeuchi,
We also think that a clear and straight-forward
definition for "Simple Sentence" is remarkably
important and 12kkID is good for the first step
toward achieving this aim.
However, 12kkID, as we think, is not suitable
enough to be used for competitions because via
12kkID, transmitting several kind of messages
will become impossible.
Furthermore, it's just a few days since the proposal
of 12kkID was announced to be the format which
every team should use for 2002 competetions. As
our friends say, it's a little late for announcing
a new rule about such an important subject for this
I think rule version.7 is suitable for this year
as it allows us to use, examine and analyze 12kkID
format in addition to the our protocols in this
year's competitions. Then we can discuss our opinions
and share our experiences for making a straight-
forward format for "Simple Sentence" to be used for
2003 competitions.

Sincerely Yours,
Mohsen Izadi

--- Ikuo Takeuchi <> wrote:
> Dear All,
> We have a serious concern about the vagueness of the
> 2002 rule as was
> decided recently (version 7). There seems to be no
> clear criteria in
> advance to what extent we can allow the amount of
> messages issued by
> an agent at one cycle. The definition of a 'simple'
> sentence is one of
> the most important issues when we think of the
> RoboCupRescue
> competition as a good research platform for
> distributed multi-agent
> cooperation.
> In our proposal made in last November,
> a 'simple' sentence is ultimately small with an
> expectation that such
> simple sentence makes the problem more challenging
> in the field of
> multi-agent systems research. "Not very large but
> some amount of
> messages" does not give a very good, clear-cut means
> or standard to
> measure the obtained ability of agent cooperation.
> RoboCupRescue competition is not a mere competition,
> but it should
> promote the related research to some good direction.
> In RoboCup
> soccer, recently, the size of a message issued by a
> player is
> drastically decreased than before to be nearly equal
> to that of a
> human player. We think that was a right decision.
> In RoboCupRescue,
> however, the situation is not so straightforward
> since future Robot
> rescue agents need not be restricted to speak as
> slowly as human
> agents. Too restricted 'simple' sentence may not
> match our final
> goal.
> But we have not yet real Robot resue agents at
> present. So we think
> it is natural for the rescue agents in the current
> competition to
> model human agents as they are in order to suggest
> the real human
> rescue agents how they should cooperate in a fuss of
> big disaster. If
> we do not think so, that is, if we think the rescue
> agents should
> model futuristic robot agents in 2050, we should not
> restrict the size
> of messages at all! "Not very large but some amount
> of messages" does
> not seem to have a firm principle with respect to
> this kind of
> argument.
> Moreover, we proposed this ultimately simple
> sentence rule about five
> months ago on the community. It has been long
> public enough to
> discuss.
> Best Regards,
> Tak (NUE)

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