Re: [robocup-rescue-s] Rescue Simulation outlook

 Dear All,

 Just like Mr. Tavakoli, I think rescue simulation does not need new
protocols or new Kernel it needs new and better simulators. It is
absolutely necessary to discuss about it during this year competition and
make a clearer plan for the future of Rescue Simulation League!!! But for
now and this year competition as Mr. Gopal said, the point is that we need a
stable package for the competition.I do not disagree with using new package
(0.50), But the problem is that the package includes a lot of bugs, that
takes time to get fixed!!! In addition teams that are going to participate
the competition need at least 3 weeks to test their final code with bugs
fixed version of the package! Therefore according to the situation using new
package is too much risky and may cause serious trouble during the
competition.(If all known bugs fixed before the competition !!! What happen
if a new bug discover during the competition?)

yours faithfully,
Omid AmirGhiasavnd.

PS: I see everyone point but with all my respect, I think there are not any
major changes(e.g. changes in simulator behaviour or rules) in new
package (except channel base communication) that forced teams to spend a lot
of time to adopt their agents with new package. Channel base communication
is not so much complicated that causes serious change in agents
algorithm and it won't take 2 or 3 month, especially with the package that
did not work properly (The kernel just works for about 20 or 25 cycles even
during this period of time the misc simulator is not reliable, the problem
is not just about load/unload command!!!)

PS:RoboCup is completely different from Open Competition.

On 6/5/07, Cameron Skinner <cam_at_cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone.
>
> Mohammad, you are absolutely correct.
>
> The infrastructure competition was introduced to address some of the
> issues you raise, particularly the quality of the simulation. It has
> worked well in the past - those of you who competed in 2004 or earlier
> will remember the old fire simulator and know how much better the new
> one is.
>
> > Please consider the aim of the rescue simulation, to help the people
> > in a disaster environment. Can anybody say firmly we can achieve this
> > with this system? What are our priorities in the rescue simulation?
> > I think we need a good plan for rescue simulation. But the current
> > habit in the rescue simulation shows that each year before the Robocup
> > competitions some very quick and abrupt changes are made into the
> > system. We can observe it in this year even. I don't know why we should
> have a
> > buggy and not-completed Kernel in the competitions also why the teams
> > should be a test bed for the new kernel? It
> > has so many revealed bugs which mean, it still has some unrevealed
> > ones. I urge everybody to think about this sentence: Shouldn't we have
> > a plan for developing and promoting the rescue simulation step by
> > step, just like 3D Soccer simulation? And how we can reach to this
> > plan?
>
> This is a real problem. The TC and OC do the best they can to try and
> release new versions early, however the major problem is lack of
> resources. As far as I know, only three people have contributed to the
> simulators or kernel in the last couple of years and I believe that at
> least two of them are not paid to do so.
>
> I totally agree that the kernel must be stable for competition, but
> unless people test it this will not be possible. I remember from a
> couple of years ago there was a bug in the traffic simulator that caused
> a crash. There was a simple workaround, but if the bug had been reported
> *before* the competition then it would not have been a problem.
>
> The TC and OC have been attempting to make the development process more
> formal with the adoption of the sourceforge website and the wiki at
> www.robocuprescue.org. These tools allow anyone to make a contribution.
> Unfortunately there seems to be little interest from the rest of the
> community.
>
> > Finally remember that it is not the responsibility of TCs to keep
> > alive this league we have responsibilities too.
>
> Thank you, Mohammad, for pointing this out. Running this competition is
> a large job, even without trying to maintain the software. Without
> support from the entire community I think your predictions might come
> true, and I think that would be a great loss. We have an opportunity to
> make a real difference to the world by producing good research into
> disaster management and mitigation. Let's not throw it away.
>
> Cameron Skinner.
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